Australia The Project's Lisa Wilkinson and Waleed Aly clash over laws designed to stop the Catholic Church protecting child abusers to maintain the confessional seal

23:11  11 july  2018
23:11  11 july  2018 Source:   dailymail.co.uk

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a person standing on a stage: Clash: Lisa Wilkinson (right) and Waleed Aly (left) have had a tense disagreement over the Royal Commission's proposal to criminalise Catholic Church priests who fail to break the confessional seal to report admissions of child abuse© Provided by Associated Newspapers Limited Clash: Lisa Wilkinson (right) and Waleed Aly (left) have had a tense disagreement over the Royal Commission's proposal to criminalise Catholic Church priests who fail to break the confessional seal to report admissions of child abuse Lisa Wilkinson and Waleed Aly have had a tense disagreement over the Royal Commission's proposal to criminalise Catholic Church priests who fail to break the confessional seal to report admissions of child abuse.

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The vast majority of Catholic priests has never, and would never, molest or harm a child in any way. Back to the question at hand, what is the cause of the sexual abuse that has taken place in the Roman Catholic Church ?

Lisa, 58, argued the changes were necessary to provide justice for victims of abuse, while Waleed, 39, insisted the proposal presents a catch-22 for priests.

The heated discussion followed a news bulletin announcing the Victorian Government's response to the Royal Commission's 293 recommendations.

The Government accepted 128 recommendations in full, but will give further consideration to a proposal to fine priests who break canon law to report child abuse admissions heard during confessional.

Lisa Wilkinson posing for a picture: Argument: Lisa, 58, argued the changes were necessary to provide absolution for victims of abuse, while Waleed, 39, insisted the proposal presents a catch-22 for priests© Provided by Associated Newspapers Limited Argument: Lisa, 58, argued the changes were necessary to provide absolution for victims of abuse, while Waleed, 39, insisted the proposal presents a catch-22 for priests Lisa argued: 'For me it's a no-brainer, there are children, many many generations of children who have suffered, for the Government to not want to make these changes as a matter of urgency just makes no sense to me.'

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The appellate court reversed this decision, finding that Bayhi was not legally required to report the abuse because the Seal of the Confessional is legally protected by confidentiality laws . This may be related to the Church ’ s flourishing reputation as an institution that protects abusers , or it may just

Waleed strongly disagreed, and criticised the South Australian Government's decision to accept the proposal and assign a $10,000 fine to priests who break the new law.

'Help me out here, because here's the thing I don't understand: how would introducing a law like this actually stop any of this happening?' he asked.

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Art & design . Law ' s initial argument was that when he transferred Geoghan to his new parish, neither he, the Catholic church , nor indeed society as a whole, understood how difficult it was to change the behaviour of child sex abusers .

Lisa replied: 'It wouldn't. It would send a message throughout the entire church that 'this much and no more,' that we've protected this behaviour for too long, and no one is above the law.'

a person standing on a stage: How? 'Help me out here, because here's the thing I don't understand: how would introducing a law like this actually stop any of this happening?' Waleed asked Lisa© Provided by Associated Newspapers Limited How? 'Help me out here, because here's the thing I don't understand: how would introducing a law like this actually stop any of this happening?' Waleed asked Lisa

Waleed snapped back: 'Ok fine, but consider yourself in the position of a priest who's hearing that.

'I'm not a Catholic, I have no interest in defending the confession, but breaking the seal of confession for priests is an ex-communicable offence - it's eternal damnation.

'So now you're giving them a choice between eternal damnation, or a $10,000 fine?

'I just can't see any of them making the decision to avoid a $10,000 fine for the sake of that?'

Lisa replied: 'But it removed the perpetrators' chance of absolution!'

'But it doesn't,' Waleed claimed, 'because if a priest cares enough to be a priest,  they'll maintain that [confessional] seal - the church have already said they're going to maintain the seal.'

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Lisa argued the Government could not let the current system continue, 'because the church has been a rule unto itself, and we've had generation after generation of damaged humans.

'And if children - and in particular altar boys - are seen as prey for priests, then we have to step in in a major way.'

Lisa and Waleed still couldn't see eye-to-eye, so co-panellist Tommy Little stepped in to clarify Waleed's argument.

'You think the new law is essentially asking priests to hand their faith away to save $10,000?'

'Yes, and I get the appeal of legislating for that, but I can't imagine the scenario in my head where it works,' Waleed replied.

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